Pixel Development

You may have noticed Pixel development is painfully slow, but it didn’t stop, it continues and I’m doing my best to release full featured and stable version as soon as possible. The only problem is that funding this project is more and more difficult, so I’m forced to waste more and more time with other non-interesting projects to fund Pixel. The good news is I’m already in talks with a possible investor who can hopefully breath new air to sails and speed everything up. Thank you very much for your patience and support.

38 thoughts on “Pixel Development

  1. solitaire

    Thanks Pavel. It’s good to know what’s going on.

    Even if there aren’t any new releases, regular updates (weekly, monthly) would be lovely. It’s so frustrating not hearing anything for months on end.

    πŸ™‚

  2. TwiRp

    It’s great to know Pixel is still being developed, but I’m still debating about paying for it or not. Beta 7 is quite buggy on my machine (An Intel Mac running Leopard) and I was wondering if there was an ETA for beta 8. I understand development has been slow do to financing, but something should be released every once in a while (couple of months at least) even if it is buggy, just to give people hope. Even if you don’t want to release a buggy version, sometimes it’s better to have a “see what’s happening” unstable release than a “This is stable for now, wait a year or so and a more stabler one will come” being left on the site. In my opinion it’s better to release an unstable update every couple of months with minor improvements than to leave people with an unusable beta. It’s looking to be a great product, but it’s just a matter of releasing versions with newer features to keep people’s hope and attention. Hope my ramblings offer some encouragement… “Keep doing your best!”…

  3. Scias

    (Sorry for my bad english, i’m french)

    Yeah, good news, that shows that Pixel is not dead, but its development is too slow, and too hard for a single developer…

    Pixel has a huge potential, but this slow development is blocking it…

    There’s only a few and very unstable betas, well i know, it’s hard to develop a software like Pixel alone, but if you want, you can accelerate a lot its development, and make a very huge concurrence to Adobe Photoshop, there’s a great and easy solution to revelate the huge potential of Pixel : Is to OpenSource it.

    The OpenSource is the best way for your software, it can boost a lot the development, the translations, the bug tracking and new features…

    Why Firefox, OpenOffice, VLC, GIMP and others like Linux are now the new stars of the web, it’s because they are OpenSource.

    If Pixel remain compeletely proprietary and with this VERY slow development, i think it will never born.

    Thanks.

  4. Dhondon

    Thanks for the info. But don’t stop. It’s hard to guess whats going on when we hear nothing from you for months.

  5. Alexander Ewering

    Pavel: You really are very lucky with your userbase, to put it nicely. Seeing how there is Paint Shop Pro X2 Photo, which offers roughly the same amount of features, but in an extremely streamlined and efficient interface, bug-free, and for a ridiculous price, I don’t understand why not more people have voted for that option.

    So, to keep a remote chance of success for your project, you should definitely get a release out very soon (= until the end of the year), and it better be damn stable!

  6. Leon

    Thanks for the update. Still, I am looking forward to the full version and I really hope you will find a way to finish your project. Good luck!

  7. Marko

    @Alexander: I think you will find many users of Linux. As The Gimp is a usability nightmare (some may differ…), Pixel is for many the last hope for good image software on Linux.

  8. Alexander Ewering

    Marko: I completely agree that Gimp is a usability joke, I’ve written various articles on that. And well, its functionality is also pretty, uhm, basic πŸ™‚ Especially considering the years (decades) of constant development, it’s almost sad to see it hasn’t really come very far, in spite of pretty much every Linux user being forced to use it.

    That said, yes, on Linux, you’re pretty much fucked when it comes to image editing software. But then again, you’re also fucked when it comes to professional audio software, professional non-linear video editing, etc. – that’s why I switched to Windows (others might have switched to OSX) once I “grew up” and stopped being an open-source free-software Che Guevara πŸ™‚

  9. iandy

    Good to hear from you, Pavel. I am a vision-impaired user. Beta 7 is more than enough to keep me motivated and waiting. Your grasp of color theory is impressive; your ingenious inclusion of Charlemagne STD & other OTF fonts in Beta 7 helps keep me on the leading edge with productivity! But such thing shows you know exactly what you are doing – and where you are going. Take your time. I will continue to enjoy Beta 7 until you are ready for new releases. P.S. …don’t let Photo(u-know-who) make you an Offer you Can’t Refuse to quit.

  10. zx_master

    Look if u want this project to live, you should make it opensource at least editor core. You can’t beat GIMP now it is true. Pixel can be OpenSource until it became popular – then you make it totally commercial.

  11. Marko

    @ Alexander: Well, audacity is great for audio editing (I work at a broadcaster and I wish I could use Audacity…) Video editors I am not too familiar with, but how about Cinelerra, MainActor, Broadcast 2000 or Lives? If one of those are good enough, then only good image software is missing for Linux… PAVELLLL….

    πŸ˜‰

  12. Alexander Ewering

    Marko: I’m sorry, but Audacity is impossible to use in a professional environment – its UI is far too inefficient. Fading in/out and cutting a master needs to be doable in a matter of 10 seconds, Audacity’s UI just doesn’t provide for that.
    All Video editors that I’ve used under Linux have either been extremely buggy to the point of being unusable, had the same inefficient UI as audacity, or were slow or lacking in features.

    And don’t even get me started on *real* audio software – I mean, Digital Audio Workstations like Logic or Nuendo – what Linux has to offer there is at best even more funny than The Gimp πŸ˜‰

  13. Jack

    Scias: As great as it would be for this project to go open source Pavel has made it clear he isn’t willing to do that. Quite frankly I’m not sure what Pixel will have to offer once it is released that Gimp 3 won’t. Gimp 3’s interface is being redone to satisfy the desires of those comfortable with the different user interface model that people are more accustomed to. I was one of those people who cursed the Gimp when I initially switched to GNU/Linux having picked up graphics editing with Paint Shop Pro and Photoshop. Once you are accustomed to it Gimp has a pretty comfortable user interface.

    Marko: Gimp isn’t a usability joke. The thing works- you’ve just never used it enough to become accustomed to it. I once disliked it too. Once you give up on other editors coming to GNU/Linux you just get good with Gimp. Then you like realize how good it really is-rather than dislike it due to your own learnings!

    I started on MS Windows/DOS and when I β€œgrew up”- I realized what a pathetic solution proprietary software generally provides. You can’t really judge one without being completely comfortable with both systems. The problem faced with GNU/Linux is the masses have learned one operating system /w one set of applications. With as many differences as there are between Mac and Windows there are more similarities than differences. GNU/Linux share many similarities too-except the applications tend to be completely different. Often too many for casual or even heavy users who oppose change.

    Alexander Ewering: You aren’t comfortable with GNU/Linux applications because they aren’t familiar to you. Some applications aren’t ‘professional’ tools. Those that are tend to be for people more advanced than the typical professional. People working on VERY big projects. All of the major studies use GNU/Linux and GIMP derivatives for instance in touching up frame-by-frame. Other video editing software for rendering, 3d, and so on also exists. Much of it is just not for your typical “professional”. Despite all the negatives from people who don’t know better much of the most powerful software is now found on GNU/Linux- and often times completely unavailable on the “major” platforms like Mac or MS Windows.

  14. MAdMaN

    Making a program open source doesn’t neccessarily mean it’ll be better than a proprietary program.

    With proprietary software (given the right team) a program can be encoded really efficiently (e.g. I can download Firefox and get a web browser, or for 1.5MB more I can download Opera and get a web browser, e-mail client, RSS reader, Bittorrent client and IRC client).

    Keeping a small team ensures that development can be tightly focused, instead of having a lot of different people throwing different features into the code, and making the lead developer have to take them and ensure they work together without problems.

    Open source isn’t the magical solution to all life’s little problems. It may be fine for some, but for others it’s a nightmare.

    I don’t use Linux instead of Windows because it’s open source, I use it because it fits me better.

    If I wanted an open source graphics editor, I would’ve gone with The GIMP. Instead, I wanted a program that I could use and had the features I wanted, so I purchased Pixel.

  15. Alexander Ewering

    Jack: I was one of the main developers of Blender3D for several years after it got open sourced. I also developed a DTP application based on Blender. So, please stop telling me that I have no idea how the open-source world works πŸ˜‰

    I don’t believe you that big studios retouch frames with Gimp. Big studios have millions to shell out and they will surely be able to purchase a copy of Adobe Photoshop, and surely they will be more comfortable using adjustment layers for retouching than destructively editing in 8 bit per channel.

  16. Max

    Im downloading the trial version…meabe I will go on this soft if will be good!!

    please release a stable version soon !!

    πŸ˜€

  17. Nemes Ioan Sorin

    Pavel, i think you can imagine about the impact of the final Pixel 32 on the *nix world.

    We need professional imaging tools here (actually is a gap) – and thousands of graphic artists expect(for many years now) for Adobe to launch their graphic suite on Unix, Linux. But they like keep the old legacy for unknown reasons…

    So I wish you to found a company as a next step – which can give us an entire suite [photo retouching – web dedicated – vectorial design 2D/3D + professional DTP raster composition ], based on core libraries that you already use for Pixel.

    We don’t need free products but a sustained professional graphic suite.

    All the best.

  18. Frank

    Hi there,

    it seems that the development of GIMP now goes in the direction for digital photographers. The current development snapshot includes color depth of 16 Bit, color management ist applied in the current stable release. If Pavel isn’t able to speed up the Pixel development his customer base will never grow up. By the way GIMP is available for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. If you like HDR and have a linux machine try cinepaint. It has also CMS and high color depth support.

  19. Wojtek

    Sounds nice. Pavel, do not give up! Pixel32 is VERY promising project. We need professional image processing software for *nix platforms!

  20. Trond

    Hi all…

    I talked to Pavel on MSN a few days ago, and he said that he got the investor, and is now going to work full-time on pixel. I really hope his next release (b8) will have many bugfixes… Cause I like the PS like design and feel of pixel…

  21. shane

    Hey, I’ve been evaluating pixel, and WOW. WOW WOW WOW.

    I didn’t know FPC can do *that*. You need to donate some code to the Lazarus guys, because seriously.

    Now a couple of (friendly!) critiques.

    1) The Mac/Intel version feels a little bit ported. How dificult would it be to get ‘eLiquid’ behaving a bit more ‘cocoa’ in feel? I know you can plug those back ends in and out.

    2) Its a *tiny* bit buggy, and seems to corrupt the button bars a little bit.

    I’ll probably buy it, heck, just so you can keep developing it. It really is a great thing. But it’d be neat to see the Mac version get some of those bugs ironed out.

    Hope you get investorship. Maybe some big company like Apple might throw a few million your way if your lucky.

  22. Xenon

    Thanks very much for the update. As a 4 PC OSes user (Kubuntu, PC-BSD, Windows XP and ZETA) and a registered Pixel user, I am very happy to know that there will be more Pixel for all :D. Great.

  23. Rafael Dina

    Pavel,
    sorry if I didn’t noticed that on your site, but what about a ‘donate’ button?

    Maybe it would help a speeding things up a little bit we all (almost all here) know that developers have to eat and pay their bills, but it is mandatory that you keep updating the site, at least that way we know you’re alive…!

    Share your achievements and frustrations – even offtopic or image editing related posts would be nice, once in a while… remember that after all you registered a domain called pixelcommunity…!

    I`ve bought your software and was beginning to lose my hope on your lack of updates/news, but after that good news I think I may wait a little more.

    Keep the hard work and good luck with your investor..!

  24. Matt Henley

    @Alexander Ewering:

    “And don’t even get me started on *real* audio software – I mean, Digital Audio Workstations like Logic or Nuendo – what Linux has to offer there is at best even more funny than The Gimp ;)”

    I am just wondering how you feel Ardour stacks up for DAW?

    Fortunately for me in Photography, Lightzone and Bibble handle most things while PS CS2 under wine is used if i really have to work an image.

  25. Jose Hevia

    Hi Pavel

    I love your program, people prefer it to Gimp, and I believe it has a very good potencial if you opensource it and become the project leader. I know, I know, you need money as everyone else, so…

    WHY don’t you sell it to the comunity as blender did?

    I mean, put a high price on it and the GUI, pixel is a high quality program, like 1Million dollar or whatever you want and try. There is a lot of people that will pay if the program become theirs(you see and can modify the code).

    A million dollars or more is nothing for a bunch of graphic companies to pay for if they get the benefits of having such a program code.(they will get a lot more being able to do things they can because they have control over the code for their own needs, they will be able to adapt their code to their own needs using their own engineers(there are companies with more than 200 engineers),and use Linux as their graphic workstations(something they can’t do today)saving money in the end).

    There is a lot of Linux fans out there, and Linux needs pixel more than anything (GIMP development is stagnated because of its complexity) put a bar in your page and PR it. People donate money with credit cards (their money is taken only if the goal is accomplished, and believe me, it will, people is not stupid, e.g if I spend 100 euros once for opensourcing it one time I will get much much more than with any other investment).

    What do you lose trying it?
    I know,as a very smart person you are(you created pixel) I expect you to think too much, you think Linux users are “cheap”, it won’t work based in your prior experience,whatever… b*llsh*t, you know girls prefer dumb people that smart ass for this reason alone, instead of trying, they put excuses for failing constantly, the bad side of intelligence.

    You are going to die one day, and this day your project will disappear because this program is YOU, only you know how it works.

    This is bad for the world, if you receive money from an investor it will be impossible for you to opensource it (you give out property).

    Think opensource is a meritocracy, people will respect you as the project leader if you opensource it. There will be a need for you to document it so others can help making the program better in the future. You can create a foundation like blender’s that sells documentation, and other stuff for supporting the regular costs.

    Have a good day

  26. dx

    “β€œAnd don’t even get me started on *real* audio software – I mean, Digital Audio Workstations like Logic or Nuendo – what Linux has to offer there is at best even more funny than The Gimp ;)”

    I am just wondering how you feel Ardour stacks up for DAW?

    Fortunately for me in Photography, Lightzone and Bibble handle most things while PS CS2 under wine is used if i really have to work an image.”

    Ardour is OK , but its pretty much Pro-Tools circa early 1990s. Thats not to say its a bad app or anything. Its marvelous, but it really isn’t up there in the echelons. If I wanted to interface with an external DAW rig, like HD or a Creamware stack, or pull in some Native-Instrument emulations or whatever, I’m kind of stuffed.

    I think Ardor is fantastic for a home studio however, but you couldn’t use it profesionally. Unfortunately in that domain, Pro-Tools stands alone, and for the pro-sumer set, Logic, Cubase and Ableton still offer a more comprehensive set.

    Its a shame, I’m a linux nut, but for now, its Os/X and Pro-tools for me.

  27. october jones

    I think what you’re doing is a grand thing. You’re on the right track. I’ve purchased 3 licenses and I think they are worth it. Best of luck.

  28. Mads Nygaard Pedersen

    Pavel, I do not mean disrespect, but there i a good old say in the IT business: “kill your darlings”.

    I want Pixel to live – not die – but the one-man crusade strategy you are practicing with this great piece of software is crippling the future of it.

    I bought a beta license a couple of years back – hoping you would eventually change path and either go open source or get a development team behind pixel.

    I have checked back here every 3-4 months since to follow progress, only to learn that Pixel is still Beta.

    I honestly think Pixel could be boosted – and as many people on these forums have suggested – by going open source. It would ensure speedier development and as the innovator and project leader you could monetize from offering support, merchandise, knowhow, whatever…

    As of right now, I honestly think when I check back 2 years from now – Pixel will still be beta – developing painfully slow still.

    Meanwhile – somebody else will develop a kickass application that will take over where Pixel was once needed…

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